jaa45993 wrote:Could you explain more about the invalid claim? How was it acquired? If it is invalid, then what is there to worry about?
Gold_Rush_Expedinc wrote:Awesome.. wheeler, dealer... as opposed to someone who actually does somethiong with the land before it has been destroyed. Where have the caving groups been for the past 4 years while the cave has been being vandalized??
The claim is perfectly valid and has been in place for almost 50 years. There are huge gold and silver values in viens in the mine/cave as backed by assays.
If you are concerned, then bid and you guys preserve it. Its really up to you what happens to it now.
The Bates family have been picking and pulling from the site for years, causing all sorts of damage, holding the site under mining claims.. and now that its up for sale you are suddenly concerned?
Im not trying to be difficult but its more likely that someone will buy this as a site to preserve over a site to mine. We have sold well over 100 claims in the past year and only a handful are actually mined. Fact is if someone didnt take action, it was going to be destroyed, the stalagtites and mites in the main entrance are all black and brown from being touch and poked and prodded, many tites have been broken off and there is evidence throughout the cave of where the previous owners were cutting out large chunks of crystals and pulling them out or worse, probably selling as souveniers.
Gold Rush Expeditions
As to the caving groups. They whine a lot...
...It is easier to try and cry about it and see who will "cave" first...
...As an FYI, none of the Caving Groups have had the testicular fortitude to contact GRE, they instead bitch on their forums to each other like a bunch of old women (or environmentalists)...
...who run crying to their mommies...
Gold_Rush_Expedinc wrote:Dale, your obviously upset, and havent been to the cave, or you would have seen the damage. Take a look at the facebook pics. Im not going to argue with you. You and your grottos havent even had the common decency to contact GRE in regards to this, you have just made knee jerk assumptions based off of information you have recieved in error. And yes, Mining law supercedes federal caving standards and has in numerous cases. So if you want to preserve it.. buy it.
There is no case precedent because the Cave Protection Act specifically states that it will not interfere with mining claims:
Sec. 4308. Miscellaneous provisions
(d) Existing rights
Nothing in this chapter shall be deemed to affect the full operation of the mining and mineral leasing laws of the United States, or otherwise affect valid existing rights.
(Pub. L. 100-691, Sec. 9, Nov. 18, 1988, 102 Stat. 4550.)
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