LukeM wrote:It's all too easy for someone who already has access to an amazing state cave survey to dismiss this as resource as too easy. If you're a member of those you already have it easy!
I don't have a cave survey in the state where I live or anywhere nearby. I don't have it easy. Sometimes I ask around for a map and no one knows where I could get it. Sometimes I know who has the map, but no prints have been made in a decade and no one wants to bother with scanning a big map for one or two newer cavers.
Edit: It seems like a lot of the negative attitudes toward this come from TAG cavers who already have access to every map they could ever need down there. That's a pretty comfortable place to oppose this from.
David Grimes wrote:Trogman, didn't someone earlier say that you have to be a NSS member for two years before you can become an ACS member? If that is the case then what do the newer cavers do for the maps? It seems a little odd to me, I understand they are giving coordinates too but it seems a newer caver would benefit more from having a place where they could find maps. Most cavers that have been around other cavers for a couple years generally would have less trouble getting another caver to give them a map. While some cave surveys may offer the same type of service, several of them have srict membership requirements. The map section here would cover a much larger area and give map access to some people who do not meet membership qualifications for some of the cave surveys.
seem cavalier. No, you don't have the resources to do exhaustive searches, but not sure what it means to say "No one has permission to say they should not be posted." In the publishing world, using the adage that it is better to ask forgiveness than permission is not a good guideline.the maps with no owners are going to be the difficult ones since you can argue that no one technically has permission to post them but also no one has permission to say they should not be posted
Roppelcaver wrote:The thread is going sideways -- everyone has opinions, and your clear bias is not furthering this. I recommend that someone (you) come up with clear guidelines as a proposal and let folks comment on that, and try to take a more balanced approach. In the end, whatever gets done needs to reflect the general will of the participants and adhere to a resonable level of responsibility. The latter is the crux now.
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