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Webbing Storage - not in Daisy Chains?

Postby JSDunham » Jan 20, 2011 8:13 pm

I just heard from a friend that you should not store webbing in daisy chains because it puts too many bends in the webbing--this does not seem right to me for a whole host of reasons, not the least of which that I have never heard it before from anyone. But, I was wondering if anyone else had heard this or could say where it might have come from? I conjectured that perhaps very stiff non-stretch webbing for firefighting/etc. might suffer from having a bend during storage, but I can't think how that would damage the 1" tubular webbing most of us use for climbing and caving. Thoughts, anyone?
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Re: Webbing Storage - not in Daisy Chains?

Postby PeterFJohnson » Jan 20, 2011 8:34 pm

I can't say for sure one way or the other but I would like to see concrete evidence of that before I believe it. Climbers and Cavers have been doing that for a long time now. Of course it is possible people are retiring webbing that has worn out more quickly before a problem occurs, but again...evidence?

On another note, daisy chaining isn't really my preferred way of storing webbing anyway. Roll it around itself - essentially using it as its own spool - and it is far more compact and fits in a pack much better. A paper clip or two will keep it from unrolling in the bottom or your pack. Does take a bit more time though.
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Re: Webbing Storage - not in Daisy Chains?

Postby Carl Amundson » Jan 20, 2011 9:06 pm

I have been storing webbing in daisy chains for years with no issues.
Whether you store is in spools or daisy chains is all about personal preference.
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Re: Webbing Storage - not in Daisy Chains?

Postby NZcaver » Jan 20, 2011 11:37 pm

junkman wrote:I have been storing webbing in daisy chains for years with no issues.
Whether you store is in spools or daisy chains is all about personal preference.

Agreed. I call BS on the "puts too many bends in the webbing" myth.
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Re: Webbing Storage - not in Daisy Chains?

Postby self-deleted_user » Jan 21, 2011 11:01 am

How would it put too much bend into the webbing? I've never seen them pull uber tight or anything. I guess if you are doing that, maybe? Then again, I've only seen/done it myself once. Ha it was funny, when MacNair showed me how so I could help more with packing up all our vertical stuff and get off the cliff (brr it was night and cold!) I was all "oh! this is just sc crocheting! why didn't you say so?" and got mine done super fast haha. I thought we were making a flower with it!
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Re: Webbing Storage - not in Daisy Chains?

Postby JSDunham » Jan 21, 2011 4:57 pm

Well, that was all pretty much what I thought--most cavers and climbers I know, myself included, store their webbing in daisy chains, so I figured if there was a real issue, people would know about it. I shall continue to store it in daisy chains without concern.
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Re: Webbing Storage - not in Daisy Chains?

Postby jharman2 » Jan 24, 2011 11:28 am

PeterFJohnson wrote:On another note, daisy chaining isn't really my preferred way of storing webbing anyway. Roll it around itself - essentially using it as its own spool - and it is far more compact and fits in a pack much better. A paper clip or two will keep it from unrolling in the bottom or your pack. Does take a bit more time though.


I learned this trick from Peter and have been using it ever since. A roll of webbing takes up almost no room at the bottom of a darren drum. Also, you can throw the roll of webbing like a frisbee to capture a projection. It flies REALLY well and is very controllable.

I don't believe the "too many bends" for one second. Nylon isn't brittle and to my knowledge doesn't loose strength from bending.
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Re: Webbing Storage - not in Daisy Chains?

Postby PeterFJohnson » Jan 24, 2011 1:35 pm

If we are giving credit where credit is due, I learned that one from Rick Royer after he scoffed at the muddy messy daisy chained I pulled from my pack once.

Haven't tried the frisbee trick. Will have to keep that in mind.
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Re: Webbing Storage - not in Daisy Chains?

Postby cavedoc » Jan 24, 2011 3:55 pm

Life-on-a-line talks about strenth loss in rope when knots are left in place long term. Maybe that's where somone could come up with that idea. I can't see how the loose loops of a typical daisy chain could do any damage at all.
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Re: Webbing Storage - not in Daisy Chains?

Postby NZcaver » Jan 24, 2011 4:22 pm

PeterFJohnson wrote:If we are giving credit where credit is due, I learned that one from Rick Royer after he scoffed at the muddy messy daisy chained I pulled from my pack once.

I'll have to make a point of scoffing at Rick about something the next time I'm caving with him. :tonguecheek:

I've always daisy chained my webbing for carrying in my pack, although I occasionally roll it for storage. There is also a braiding/plaiting technique similar to daisy chaining but flatter and more compact. I don't use it myself, but I know some of the other rescue gurus do.

I also used to chain my caving rope, but now I prefer to use the stuff sack technique. I still occasionally chain ropes, but only when tossing them in the washing machine.
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Re: Webbing Storage - not in Daisy Chains?

Postby gdstorrick » Jan 26, 2011 7:52 pm

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Re: Webbing Storage - not in Daisy Chains?

Postby NZcaver » Jan 26, 2011 7:59 pm

You missed your calling as a comedian, Gary. :clap:
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Re: Webbing Storage - not in Daisy Chains?

Postby Stridergdm » Jan 27, 2011 10:04 pm

gdstorrick wrote:Hundeds of cavers and climbers die every year because they daisy-chained their webbing. The danger is that most people are right-handed and the webbing has a right-hand weave. When they coil it, two rights always make a wrong. This is a recipe for disaster :yikes: ! Right-handed webbing must be daisy-chained left-handed so that the risks cancel!

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Huh, and I thought it was 3 lefts made a right and 2 Wrights made an airplane.

I guess you learn something new every day.

Though, please if you do daisy chain your webbing (left or right) do NOT put a knot a the end. Thanks.
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Re: Webbing Storage - not in Daisy Chains?

Postby JSDunham » Jan 31, 2011 7:43 pm

If you left your webbing, it don't matter whether its daisy-chained or not...
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