BrianC wrote:Make this as simple as possible, ask the question of the BOG, and let that be that!
BrianC wrote:Maps will generate the interest, and without the proper training, get some into trouble.
That is why it is, and has always been the way it is
DeanWiseman wrote:Case in point: In light of the recent events at Ellison's Cave, I'm extremely uncomfortable publishing or disseminating any more information about such caves, even if they are on public property and there is no specific visitation restriction. There are just too many folks out there who aren't taking the risks seriously enough. We obviously cannot withhold information which is already out there in the Public Domain, but it's clearly not enough at this point in time to put warnings and build kiosks and signage.
Climbing topos are widely published and give a detailed account of the technical difficulties and gear needed on climbs. Climbers are safer for having this information than if they venture up onto the face of El Capitan without any prior knowledge.
BrianC wrote:Do you want this to happen to caves?
BrianC wrote:So many newer folks seem to want caving to become a sport. Caving is definitely not a sport! Caves are certainly awesome and in most cases, a pristine environment only meant for people that want to feel that incredible wonderful amazement of mother nature. Caves are not rated and certainly don't take the hordes of sport enthusiasts lightly. When a caver realizes what a privilege it is to see some of the sights and sounds in some of the really cool caves, then they can enjoy what being a caver is all about. Just to participate in exploring caves is a real privilege. A route map with a difficulty level will never work for real cavers!
Chads93GT wrote:I rate caves on the kick your ass factor. "Just how exhausted were you after that trip?" , "Ive never been on a harder trip in my life."
Extremeophile wrote:It's all the people wearing clothes and using lights to explore caves that have turned it into a sport. I prefer to experience caving in its most natural form. But this is a topic for another thread.
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