David Grimes wrote:
I have no issues with cave surveys in fact they are a good resource but they do the same thing except they use your maps to make money. If a cave survey had no maps or location data no one would give them their money. Since the cave survey depends on users to donate their maps for them to make a profit what is the harm in offering maps for free as long as the authors are willing to share..
Sungura wrote:Another really neat project along those same lines that would be great for NSS Members and a bonus for membership is something to the effect of what they have done for Mendip. It's neat how you can even play around and put topo layers under it. Each cave location has the access info too just click the pins to make it pop up. I wish we had this for at leas the caverich regions in the US. It's really fun to look at. And all the access info right there means people have no excuse to screw up, and you knjow the status of the cave, who to get permission from or what club to hook up with for key or whatever. To have something like this linked up additionally with the map? OMG WIN. And totally a solid hard core reason to be a full NSS member.
Teresa wrote:I'm from Missouri. I'm also a life member of the NSS. I just voted no.
1) Any data put on the Net, regardless of whatever safeguards there are, can and will be hacked eventually.
2) I don't trust people, just because they bought an NSS membership, to use cave maps either knowledgeably or ethically. Also, what's to keep someone who is unethical from logging in as someone else? It's entirely possible.
3) The non-location maps will have to be organized, someone in the thread suggested by state and county. While I'm generally not personally opposed to giving info on a cave to this level of location, it is all too easy for someone with the map, to then go to the county and ask for the cave by name. With persistence, they will eventually find the location.
4) How does one verify that the person uploading the map is the person who created it, or who actually holds control of the copyright?
5) Of what use is a cave map without a location? It's a pretty drawing, no more.
6) How does one know the map is even roughly accurate? An inaccurate map is worse than none at all.
7) There are people other than cavers who might be interested in cave maps. These people now have to go through a state survey to get information, and that's where they find out the significance or non-significance of the cave. That is a good thing for the cave.
8) If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Yep...I'm agin this.
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